Dr. Katariina Rosenblatt – Stolen

Dr. Kat Rosenblatt – Stolen

The true story of a sex trafficking survivor

Dr. Katariina Rosenblatt is living proof of the promise she heard long ago at a Billy Graham crusade that God would never forsake her.

Katariina has a PhD in conflict analysis and resolution and works closely with law enforcement agencies, such as the FBI to eliminate human slavery.

She founded There Is Hope for Me, a nonprofit organization dedicated to freeing other victims of human trafficking.

If you have been touched, but not yet moved on the topic of trafficking, you need to listen to this interview.

Game Changer Network host, Chicke Fitzgerald

Interview of Dr. Kat Rosenblatt by Chicke Fitzgerald of the Game Changer Network

The true story of a sex trafficking survivor

Enjoy the interview with Dr. Kat Rosenblatt

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Show Transcript

Ideas. Inspiration. Innovation. This is The Game Changer. And now, here’s your host, Chicke Fitzgerald.

0:04 – Chicke Welcome to the 2023 inaugural show of The Game Changer. I’m so excited because we are launching a new series called The Philanthropist Series. This isn’t just about people who give money; it’s about people who give their time, talents, and, of course, their treasures. We know how important that is for nonprofit work.

My guest today is Dr. Katerina Rosenblatt, living proof of a promise she heard a long time ago at a Billy Graham crusade: that God would never forsake her.

0:59 – Chicke Katerina holds a Ph.D. in conflict analysis and resolution and a law degree in intercultural human rights. She works closely with law enforcement agencies such as the FBI and Homeland Security. Her life’s mission is to eliminate human slavery, and she’s also the founder of a nonprofit organization called “There is Hope for Me, Incorporated.” They are also a client of my company, Solutionz, and they have just deployed our product, Traveling to Give.

1:37 – Chicke We’ll talk about that at the end of the interview. She is dedicated to freeing other victims of human trafficking. I’ll let her share her actual story. Welcome, Katarina.

1:50 – Dr. Kat Thank you, Chicke. It’s a pleasure to be here with you today.

1:55 – Chicke Kat, I provided our audience with your formal introduction, but I always like to begin the show, especially when we’re talking to an author. You’ve written a book called “Stolen,” which will be the topic of today’s interview. I like to ask this question: Why this book and why now?

2:16 – Dr. Kat That’s a great question, and thank you again for having me on your show. I think you’re amazing with all that you do. Trafficking is something that happens everywhere, every day in America and internationally. Not everybody is willing to tackle the subject, so I want to thank you for being willing to tackle it. There’s a misconception that trafficking only happens overseas. I believe that with the movie “Sound of Freedom” coming out, it was a timely piece. Paired with my book, “Stolen,” the true story of a sex trafficking survivor, I feel this is God’s work. We share stories of hope and how God pursues survivors and rescues us.

3:01 – Dr. Kat What makes my story different is that I got saved at a Billy Graham crusade before I got trafficked. About six months later, as a 13-year-old, I was recruited into trafficking. You don’t always understand the motives behind certain people at that age. The first trafficking ring was at a hotel in Miami Beach.

3:42 – Dr. Kat In the work I do now, many children are recruited through peer-to-peer recruitment. We go into schools and share our survivor stories. Often, those affected by human trafficking come forward to talk with us. Tomorrow, I’m going to a school program to share my story. If any child has been trafficked or is in the process of being recruited, we can get law enforcement involved to intercept the trafficking scheme.

4:19 – Dr. Kat If we don’t go in and tell them, how will they know? That’s our mission. For such a time as this, we are active in the school system to raise awareness and help children escape trafficking.

4:33 – Chicke Right. So the book is part of a bigger ministry for you, spreading the message.

4:41 – Dr. Kat Yes, ma’am, absolutely. We love sharing our stories when it helps others. As the founder of the nonprofit “There’s Hope For Me,” which you mentioned, thank you, we focus on survivors, from survivors to survivors. It has a greater impact when children hear our stories; they don’t feel ashamed, and they can relate. They often come to talk to me afterward. On my website, we give people the opportunity to get copies of “Stolen.”

5:18 – Dr. Kat I’m one survivor, but there are many others out there with their books. The more books about overcoming that can be created, the better, because these children love them. Survivors appreciate these books, and I’ve received wonderful feedback from many young people.

5:44 – Chicke Did you ever ask yourself why? Why were you in this situation, especially as someone who had found freedom through your experience at the rally? Where does that “why” question lead?

6:08 – Dr. Kat Yes, that’s very important because even though we’re born again, when we make that decision to receive Jesus, we still have to deal with this world. There are perpetrators who do evil despite the goodness of God. But because God is faithful, He pursued me over and over, and I got trafficked. I experienced trafficking more than once. A lot of that, I believe, has to do with the fall of mankind, the sin that’s out there, and the evil that’s present. Additionally, there were factors in my life. I had an abusive father, so I was looking for that father figure. I got addicted to drugs during the second trafficking experience in middle school when my friend’s dad, a trafficker and a pedophile, gave us drugs. That addiction led me to the third trafficking experience. If we look to people to solve our problems, like friends or father figures or boyfriends, instead of God, we open the door to potential danger.

7:23 – Dr. Kat The same goes for domestic violence. I thought dating my ex-husband was better than dealing with the traffickers. I’ve come to understand the role I played, my part in pursuing things other than God, such as trying to fulfill my need for love or safety, instead of seeking Him. It took me a few years to grasp that, and I struggled with my relationship with God during that time.

8:02 – Dr. Kat After about four years of therapy and working through my trafficking experiences, I realized that I had made choices that contributed to my situation. I accepted free drugs, formed friendships without proper vetting, and made decisions that led me away from safety. Some of these aspects are not adequately taught to kids. That’s why when we go into schools to share our stories, we also educate and empower students to make better choices. I always tell them to be smarter than I was. If something doesn’t feel right, don’t go with it. Seek the guidance of a trusted adult. Looking back, seeing the countless survivors of trafficking that I’ve helped, and the impact our stories have on young people, I no longer question why this happened to me.

9:24 – Dr. Kat Now I understand the purpose through the pain, and I’m grateful that God chose me for this.

9:30 – Chicke Well, that is a very healthy perspective, but it comes from healing. When you’ve been through the darkness, you can appreciate the light. I want to circle back to something that struck me. I’ve been around people who cared about trafficking for a long time, and I remember working in the travel industry and travel technology. When I moved to Atlanta, I learned that it’s one of the top three human trafficking markets in the United States. I also learned about companies like Sabre choosing human trafficking as their company cause. Yet, it didn’t move me to take action at the time.

10:10 – Chicke I had been touched but not moved. Similarly, some people were moved after watching “Sound of Freedom,” but many were not moved to take action. To engage people of my age group, who grew up in two-parent families, we need to help them understand that abuse within families is real. We may struggle to relate to those raised in single-parent families or, even worse, those who had one abusive parent. The allure of a “daddy” figure can be hard to grasp. So let’s focus on that aspect.

12:43 – Dr. Kat Certainly. Fathers play a crucial role in protecting children from trafficking by being actively involved in their child’s life, even if the marriage doesn’t work. The relationship and connection to the child are what truly matter. A strong bond with a loving parent is more powerful than the trauma bond created with a trafficker. However, when children lack that strong connection and aren’t consistently monitored, they become vulnerable to recruitment through various means, including the allure of a false father figure, deceptive friendships, relationships, or fake employment offers. Unfortunately, not everyone has this kind of support, and it leaves them open to potentially dangerous experiences.

13:31 – Dr. Kat To highlight the urgency, consider this: In Texas alone, 36,000 children went missing last year. Of those, 85% are believed to have been runaway and exploited youth. This is a staggering number, with 30,000-plus children trafficked in one year in one state. If we extrapolate these figures to every state in America, the issue becomes overwhelming. When I’ve conducted school talks, I’ve found that one in three middle schoolers had been recruited, along with one in nine high schoolers, including 30% who are boys. It’s essential for people to realize how prevalent this issue is. If it hasn’t affected you yet, there’s still time to get involved, as the problem is growing exponentially.

14:44 – Chicke I learned a lot about the Texas situation after leaving Dallas, thanks to my business partner, who was the CEO of Traffic 911, a Dallas trafficking group. They received $3 million from the state of Texas to work with law enforcement and address the root causes of trafficking. While many organizations focus on rescue efforts, understanding and addressing what leads to trafficking is equally important. “Sound of Freedom” highlighted the constant demand for sex-trafficked children, which far exceeds that of adult prostitutes. Unfortunately, many 13-year-olds lack the capacity to make informed decisions. Now, I understand that your story took some very dark turns, and at one point, you were even left to die, correct?

16:01 – Dr. Kat: Oh, yes. So, the first trafficking experience I had was when I was 13 years old. As you mentioned, I was vulnerable, naive, and, of course, people can get the book [details] for the whole story. But Mary and this trafficking ring, which was networked in the hotel, had no good intentions. She tried to sell me to a sex tourist for five hundred and fifty dollars, just like in the Sound of Freedom. I was asked to wear a white dress, and I was going to be the bride in this game. And I trusted Mary.

16:38 – Dr. Kat: I genuinely thought she had the best intentions for me. Like the little girl in that movie, who was two years younger than me and thought she was going to be a model. I thought we were going to play a game, and I trusted Mary. So, I went up into the stairwell to meet her. That could have been the last time I saw my mom, but for God. The difference between The Sound of Freedom and my story, my book, is that Jesus was with me. Even as a victim of this crime, in the midst of being trafficked and stolen, God was with me in that hotel room.

17:19 – Dr. Kat: I remember when they began to negotiate my price; the Holy Spirit was inside of me, prompting me to stand up for myself. That began my fight against human trafficking. Even though the john got angry and kicked us out of the room, I didn’t go along with smoking pot because drugs and weed are gateways to trafficking. So he got mad and kicked us out. Mary, who was my recruiter and whom I thought was my friend, became very angry and said I had to make this up to her because I had just made her lose money.

17:56 – Dr. Kat: That’s what it’s about for them. The next day, they lured me into a waiting car and forced me inside, driving me away to what they planned would be my death. They took me to a gravel parking lot and told me that if I ever wanted to see my mom again, I needed to take this pill. I desperately wanted to see my mom; I was scared and didn’t know what I had just done. After taking the pill, they left me on the side of the road. They didn’t have any care or concern. These people don’t have a conscience. That could have been the end of it, but God spoke to my heart. At 13, I thought I was going to die there, but God was with me, willing me to live. I started dozing off, but when I felt God telling me to get up, I said, “Help me.” I was only saved a few months before at a Billy Graham crusade, and then just a few months later, I got recruited. God was with me, allowing me to reach the payphone and call my mom through an operator in the hotel room.

19:51 – Dr. Kat: Yes, my mom rescued me, but first, I had God with me. That’s the same God I share with all these children, nationwide and worldwide, as many as I can reach, telling them about the love of God and the love of Jesus and the plan that God has for them. It is a good plan, not evil, plans to give them hope and a future. That hope is what I stand on and what motivated me to write this book, “Stolen,” along with my co-author, C.S. Murphy. It also gives me hope to write other books to help every industry identify when trafficking has occurred. I recently wrote another book called “The Student Survival Guide,” which I give to kids in schools. Now we’re working on one for the travel and tourism industry. Everyone needs to know this message of how to stay safe and that God loves them right where they are.

20:54 – Chicke: Well, I think your story, in particular, is a story of God’s grace because not only did you escape from it, but you got ensnared again. Right. I have a similar story in my life. It doesn’t involve trafficking but it does involve drugs. I was a very social drug user in my teens. I came to know the Lord when I was 16, but when I moved to Colorado at 19 and didn’t find a church, I got into the wrong group and ended up back using cocaine. It’s like, what’s up with that? How can that even happen? But, for God, His unconditional love is evident. His arms are open to us, even when we fall into the same things over and over again. Can you tell us a bit about how you escaped and then got ensnared again?

22:22 – Dr. Kat

Well, absolutely. I love how you put that and how you shared your stories. Well, Chiki, thank you for that. I think everybody’s story matters. There is no competition of whose is worse. You know, they’re all bad. And so I appreciate that. And I’m sure that some of your listeners may also realize that they have a story to tell also. And that’s why I encourage as many people as possible to write as many books as possible. Because the more we tell, the more we are bringing this issue to the light, and we’re not allowing it to stay hidden.

 

22:56 – Dr. Kat

Like all abuse and exploitation, the more it’s hidden, the more it can flourish. In my own life, as a child, there was no education about human trafficking. There wasn’t even the law of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act, which is our federal law that says anyone under the age of 18 who’s engaged in any form of commercial sex, stripping porn, prostitution, massage parlors, is a victim of human trafficking. And if anyone over 18 where there’s force, fraud or coercion is also a victim.

 

23:30 – Dr. Kat

And so in my situation, I came from an abusive home.

 

23:36 – Dr. Kat

The first one was a false friend. She introduced me to her pimp who said I could call him daddy. And so we covered that daddy hole and that friendship. Well, the second one, my mom moved us out of the hotel and I had now an added vulnerability. Not only was I missing a father figure, but now I had been kidnapped. I had been taken. I had been stolen. And so that vulnerability without therapy, without an understanding of what actually happened and attempted murder, it actually caused me to numb even more to my true authentic self and not trust my instincts even further.

 

24:18 – Dr. Kat

So every time you get abused or exploited, if you don’t receive help for recovery, you can wind up just continuing to numb and continuing to have more vulnerabilities. So the next one was my friend in middle school. Her dad was a trafficker and a pedophile. And I went for a sleepover. And when I was there, I saw the drugs. I saw, you know, I mean, I had gone to visit her house and skipping school. Those are all telltale signs. If somebody is influencing you to do something wrong, it’s not going to get any better.

 

24:52 – Dr. Kat

It’s going to get worse, in fact. So that’s a warning to kids and parents. That experience left me with a lot of scars because I experienced betrayal from a friend who was my age and got me involved in it and got me addicted to drugs, to cocaine as well. And so when I got away from that, I fought for my freedom. This time I was taken to a brothel and this time it wasn’t so easy to get away. But I did eventually escape. But even in that brothel apartment, I felt God calling me saying, I have a plan for your life and this is not it.

 

25:29 – Dr. Kat

And so I ran. I ran when the enforcer left to get cigarettes. I unlocked all the locks and I escaped. Praise God. Then again, God had a plan for my life. You know, he had a purpose and I needed to get with the program and start working with him instead of against him, which I did not do. And so, you know, I mentioned I’m here at a Joyce Meyer conference. She was talking about that last night. I wish I would have gotten on the same page with God sooner, but I started to live out of my hurt. And so that time, They allowed me to call my mom and she came and picked me up with my abusive dad.

 

26:11 – Dr. Kat

And he was in the front yelling at her, where’s your daughter been? Not taking any responsibility. And so I didn’t tell them what actually happened. I didn’t tell them I had been raped. I didn’t tell them I had done drugs. I just brushed it under the rug and knew that I had to just go home and act like nothing happened. Just go back to the status quo, because if I even mentioned it, my mom would get beat or my dad would hurt both of us. And so I made that decision as much as I could as a little 14 year old at this time that I wasn’t going to tell anyone.

 

26:45 – Dr. Kat

And these traffickers had threatened to kill my family and they knew where I lived. So it wasn’t a difficult choice to say, no, I’m not going to tell. And I went back to school. They planted drugs in my purse and got me suspended. Nobody would believe me. And so then my mom picked me up. She was so disappointed in me, but I couldn’t tell her. I was terrified. If you don’t know how to process trauma as a child, you will just find other unhelping coping mechanisms and take the blame and the shame on yourself.

 

27:19 – Dr. Kat

Well, it was just a map time before another trafficking ring saw the addiction that you mentioned, the cocaine addiction. So you know what I’m talking about? You know, it’s like a fiend. They had introduced me to this and now it made me just crazy for this drug. And so at 15 years old, I was a dropout. My mom was disappointed in me. I felt like my school had given up on me. And so it was not a difficult choice when this elderly man in my building, this old Cuban guy offered free Coke to my friend who was a runaway and staying with us and myself.

 

27:52 – Dr. Kat

And we went to his apartment and that began the third trafficking Uh, of course at the time I didn’t know what it was. I was just going from bad situation to worse. So from being this 13 year old young naive girl who was very sweet. Now, by the time I was 15, I was hardened. I was disappointed in life. I was disappointed in, in society. I felt like my school had given up on me. My mom was disappointed in me and I just was letting everyone down. So what was I to do? Yes, I had Jesus. But I wasn’t listening very well to him at all.

28:27 – Dr. Kat And there was no youth group or anything like that really going on, like they do now. They have wonderful youth services available for kids. But for me, it was basically the streets and finding friends to hang out with who were like me, had been abused, had addictions, people that weren’t going to judge me. So this third trafficking ring, they wound up welcoming me, making me feel like it was family. Until they sold me to someone with AIDS. And that’s when I knew they were not my family.

28:59 – Dr. Kat I knew that they didn’t care about me. And I also knew that God had saved me once again, despite my own rebelliousness, despite my own self-sabotaging and the things that I did. Now, of course, no victim of trafficking is ever to blame. This has been my own journey that I have had to take responsibility for my part so that I can learn to overcome and learn how to avoid those types of personalities, those types of people who mean me harm and not good. Even as an adult survivor leader, there are still people who have and will try to exploit you if you let them know that you have any kind of victimization.

29:41 – Dr. Kat In your past. So it is something we have to guard against.

29:46 – Chicke Exactly. So talk to me a little bit about boundaries, right? Because, you know, you’ve woven a number of things into the story. We know that you were married at one point. We know that you actually went to law school, right? But you first had to learn how to lay those boundaries out because you can’t make the break, right? Until you have a solid foundation to move on. And as long as people mean you harm, you really do have to create those boundaries. I mean, it’s not physical like a fence, but it is.

30:19 – Chicke It’s guarding your heart, guarding your mind, and guarding your memories, right? And again, the point I was trying to make earlier about people like me, who I had a lovely childhood. My dad worked a lot, and he was a pastor, and my mom worked as a teacher, but I had loving, unconditional love parents who modeled Jesus to me my whole life. So me hearing. Not just about your story of trafficking, but the things at home and the things at school. My kids are in their 20s, but I know we’ve got people listening to this show who are, maybe their child did skip out of school last week, and they’re wondering if there’s something that they need to be aware of. And I’ve got an older daughter who was the nanny to my two kids, and she was telling me the other day, “I want to get to know my grandkids better.”

31:16 – Chicke She’s got 2 kids. They’re not our biological grandchildren, but they call us grandma and grandpa and they’re, I think, 8 and 10 or 9 and 11 in that range. And they’ve never spent the night at our house, and I asked her about it the other day. And she said, they’ve never spent the night at anybody’s house, but our house, and I said, “Well, I can understand that of why you wouldn’t let them stay with friends. I really do get that because I’ve heard so many stories like yours, Dr. Kat.” And but she is going to let them spend the night with me.

31:46 – Chicke Right. Because there isn’t fear there because she does know us. Right. And there isn’t a worry about a grandfather who’s going to abuse the child. But talk to us just a little bit about boundaries and how you how you got to the place of freedom where you could go to law school and you could declare your emancipation. Proclamation from slavery, right? Because it’s every bit as real as the slavery that we read about in our history textbooks. In fact, even more so, because it’s a bigger problem than that slavery ever was in the sheer numbers.

32:24 – Dr. Kat Yes, you’re absolutely right, Chickie. So with my, my dream was always to become a doctor or a lawyer, and coming from a Jewish background, that was just ingrained in me early on. And so going back to college was a dream come true. You know, I was married, and my ex-husband was abusive. And so when And I thought my first degree, it was a challenge for him to allow me to do that. So I was fighting a personal battle as well, even in the domestic violence. But when I finally broke free from that 20-year abusive marriage, that’s when I really found peace in my life and strength because I was able to overcome that.

33:12 – Dr. Kat And I started my doctorate, and that was just too much for my ex to handle. So when I finished my PhD, that was a great accomplishment. I had been diagnosed then a few years after my doctorate, I got diagnosed with cancer, and it was that diagnosis that I just cried out to God and said, “I need to know that you still have a purpose for me.” And he showed me to apply to this law school in California, Trinity, which was a Christian law school. I did my undergrad with them, and I got 50% off, and they gave me an acceptance letter.

33:50 – Dr. Kat They prayed with me before I went to surgery and submitted my application that day. And thank God they got all the cancer out, you know, and I was able to then move to California and start law school. But I also had the battle of my husband and his family constantly trying to attack me. And so I did feel like I needed to gain this knowledge so that I can fight for them and fight against them and fight for others who were experiencing human trafficking and domestic violence.

34:25 – Dr. Kat: “When I went to law school, I learned a lot. I became a second-year law student on the moot court team, and all of those experiences laid a foundation of knowledge. I now know my rights, and I understand that I deserve dignity and respect. This is something that many people only realize after enduring so much victimization in their lives. The foundation you mentioned is crucial, Chickie, because even after facing various forms of victimization, I still needed to establish stability and a strong foundation.

35:03 – Dr. Kat: Recognizing that any unhealthy, abusive, or toxic relationship in my life would disrupt that stability, I knew I had to make changes. So, I did, and I overcame additional challenges in my story. Right now, my words of wisdom are to seek stability—whether it’s finding employment, housing, or simply removing chaos from your life. Once you have that stability, you’ll be better equipped to navigate your interpersonal relationships. Take care of yourself first.

35:51 – Dr. Kat: I’ve had to learn this lesson repeatedly until I reached where I am now, feeling at peace and content.

36:01 – Chicke: Throughout it all, God kept telling you that He had a purpose for your life. My favorite verse is Psalm 139, which says that before the foundation of the earth, God knew all of this would happen. It wasn’t His plan for your life, but He had a plan for hope and a future. He always knew you would be part of the group, the army of God set out to free captives.

36:41 – Chicke: That is your calling in life, and I admire how you’ve added layers to your journey with your doctorate and law degree and taken action. The point of sharing my own story was not to set myself apart, as I had a difficult childhood in my teen years, but to emphasize that the prodigal can always return, and the arms of the father are open.

37:20 – Chicke: Let’s shift gears in our remaining time. You’re running a nonprofit, and nonprofits must raise money to fulfill their mission. We partnered because your nonprofit is using our tool, Traveling to Give, as part of your fundraising strategy. To our listeners who might find this topic foreign, I encourage you to take action. Our mission is to turn everyday travelers into philanthropists. We all travel for various reasons, and what if those trips could enable you to give back? Dr. Katt, what does the word philanthropist mean to you?

39:18 – Dr. Kat: To me, a philanthropist means giving of your time, talents, and treasures. It’s not just donating and forgetting about it; it’s also sharing knowledge and giving back. In my case, it’s giving back to other survivors who need support. We go into schools, and many of these schools don’t have a budget for these programs. We have to raise our own resources to share our stories and help kids escape trafficking. We work with law enforcement to ensure their safety and provide a safe home environment. However, these children often lack resources when they escape—they’re hungry. Sometimes it’s as simple as sharing a meal or providing a gift card to help them eat, as many were initially recruited because they were hungry. That’s what giving back means to me.”

40:32 – Dr. Kat: “If you’ve ever experienced hunger, abuse, homelessness, addiction, trafficking, or any form of exploitation, you know what it’s like to suffer. This is your opportunity to give back and help others so they don’t have to endure it. It’s not a handout; it’s a hand up. Just knowing that you cared and gave can mean the world to these kids. They appreciate it far more than a social worker just doing their job.

41:06 – Dr. Kat: This is a ministry and a calling, and I’m grateful to God for choosing me for such a time as this.

41:13 – Chicke: I’m getting some ideas, especially when you mentioned gift cards. Our team is working with you to help demonstrate the value of every single dollar. What’s great about our product is that we, as a company, make the donation to Dr. Kat’s ministry from our revenue and profitability. Clients can be philanthropists without spending their own cash, which is an incredible way to transition from being touched by a cause to taking action. Dr. Kat, you’ve mentioned your new book, “What To Do When You Are Faced With Human Trafficking: What Every Traveler Should Know.” Travel is a significant part of many people’s lives, so tell us why you wrote this book.

43:09 – Chicke: Travel and trafficking are an unusual combination, and it’s a mission of mine to make a significant impact in an industry that is inadvertently complicit in human trafficking. For our nonprofit clients, we typically donate 25% of our gross revenues, but for charities focused on human trafficking, we give 50% of our revenues. Dr. Kat’s organization receives 50% of the revenue from every hotel room booked through our platform. Dr. Kat, why is this book so crucial, and what motivated you to write it?

43:24 – Dr. Kat: This e-book serves as a travel guide, helping travelers recognize signs of trafficking and stay safe during their journeys. While it’s not fail-proof due to traffickers’ constantly evolving tactics, drawing from nearly two decades in the anti-trafficking field, I’ve compiled vignettes to equip travelers with the tools to respond when they encounter suspicious situations. The number one rule is to trust your instincts. Trafficking recruitment happens in airports, bus stations, car rest stops, and public transportation. This guide will provide travelers with the knowledge to identify and respond to potential trafficking situations.

44:44 – Dr. Kat: Thank you to you and Traveling To Give for your support. Travelers can give back simply by booking through our unique QR code on our website, hopeforme.org. We want travelers to know what to do when they see something concerning, and this guide will help them respond appropriately, get help, and stay safe.

45:49 – Dr. Kat: You can find us at www.thereishopeforme.org or obtain a copy of my book, “Stolen,” or the e-book, “The Traveler’s Guide: What Every Traveler Needs to Know.” You can also make travel plans with Traveling to Give, all of which can be found on our website. Thank you so much for having me, Chicke. It’s been a pleasure.

46:20 – Chicke: It’s been an honor. Our stories have intertwined in various ways, and it’s incredible how God uses people and circumstances. There’s a plan for your life, even if we take detours from it. God always brings us back to center. Thank you for your time, Dr. Katt. Have a great time at the conference, and we’ll talk to you soon.

47:23 – Dr. Kat: Thank you, Chicke. God bless you.

47:25 – Chicke: Thank you so much.

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